| IN BED
WITH MADONNA - INTERVIEWS |
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| Madonna
reviews life on Larry King Live - January 1999 |
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(CNN)
-- Her career has swept from the early 1980s to the late 1990s, ranging
from pop charts to MTV to the silver screen. And still, Madonna continues
to redefine herself. At once, she is a sultry siren, a marketing phenomenon,
a movie diva, and a mother.
And now her singing career is in the midst of a resurgence, riding
high on six Grammy nominations for her "Ray of Light" CD,
including a nod for album of the year.
CNN's Larry King sat down with Madonna for an exclusive interview,
discussing life, love, music -- and why she doesn't let her daughter
watch TV. |
| How did
you get that name? Why are you a one-name person? |
| Well,
I was born with that name. I was named after my mother. And I guess
when I started making records, Madonna Ciccone seemed too long and
complicated, and I just got stuck with Madonna. |
| What
age did that start? |
| The one-name
deal? I guess when I was about 23. So I had two names until the age
of 23. |
| But it
took a lot of guts, right, to call yourself one name making your first
record? |
| No. It
seemed completely natural. It means so many things. But I just felt
like it was a very good stage name. And everybody actually thought
it was a theatrical name that I took on, so. |
| It works,
obviously. |
| Yes, it's
a name to live up to. |
| Were you
a singing kid? Were you in the glee club? |
| I was
more of a dancing kid than a singing kid. I mean, I sang in school
choirs and I sang in school musicals, but I was much more interested
in dancing than singing. |
| What happened?
You still dance, right? Dance is part of the act. |
| Absolutely.
But when I left Michigan and I came to New York, that was my goal,
to be a professional dancer. And I sort of fell into singing by accident
in a way. |
| How? |
| Well,
I danced in a lot of companies in New York for years, and realized
that I was going to be living a hand-to-mouth existence for the rest
of my life. |
| Companies
meaning Broadway shows. |
| Oh, no.
Modern dance. |
| Oh, troupes. |
Yes, modern
dance. And you know, it was really hard living, and so then I decided
to start going to, like, off-Broadway auditions and Broadway auditions,
mostly as a dancer. And I started singing -- I had to sing for the
auditions, and then, you know, people would hear me sing. And they'd
say, Hey, your voice isn't bad. And I'd say, Oh, really?
I mean, I never had any training. I never wanted to be a singer. That's
not how I started out. |
| Would
you rather have been... |
| A dancer? |
| Yes. |
| No. I
am quite happy with the way things have turned out. I mean, I incorporate... |
| Supposing
dance paid as well. |
| I'm glad
that it turned out this way, because as a singer I can use all of
my dance training. And I think that singing is much more of an emotional
expression. |
| Are you
a singer who dances and acts or are you an actor who sings and dances?
Who are you? |
| I don't
know. |
| What are
you? (LAUGHTER) How do you think of yourself first? |
| That's
hard to say. I mean, I think of myself as a performance artist. I
hate being called a pop star. I hate that. And -- I don't know. I
mean, I guess since my original training was dancing .. I think of
myself primarily as a dancer. |
| But performance
artist is pretty good. It covers a wide... |
| Yes, I
like that because it covers everything. |
| Covers
acting, certainly. |
| Covers
everything. And we have to act all the time, don't we? |
| On fame's
lack of privacy |
| Yes. Don't
we? Have you enjoyed all the fame you have gotten? Obviously you wanted
it, right? You don't choose this business without wanting to be well-known,
one would think. I don't want to presume that. Did you? |
| : That's
true. You don't. But on the other hand, before you're famous, you
don't know what you're getting yourself into and you don't know until
you're in the middle of it what you have sort of asked for. |
| What's
the worst thing about it? |
| The worst
thing about being famous? I think it's what everybody says -- the
lack of privacy and the idea that you're not really allowed to make
mistakes and everything that you do is viewed under a microscope. |
| So therefore,
do you hide? |
| Well... |
| As, say,
Mr. Presley did. |
| He hid? |
| Well,
he hid. Jackie Gleason told him don't hide or you're going to be lonely.
Go out. |
| No. I
don't hide. I definitely don't hide. I mean, I go out. I go for walks.
I go to the theater. No. I just... |
| Do you
like or not like being recognized? |
| If I have
a pimple, I don't want to be recognized. I mean, really, it depends
on the mood I am in. Sometimes you want to go for a walk and you don't
want to be watched. You just want to be anonymous and blend in. Especially
when I travel, I feel that way, because I can't really go out and
see a city the way other people can and I miss out on a lot. |
| You can't
be a tourist? |
| Yes. I
like to be the watcher and not the watchee. |
| Biggest
perk: Free clothes |
| What's
the best thing about it? |
| Free clothes. |
| You get
free clothes? |
| Yes, it's
great. |
| Designers
give you clothes so that you'll wear it to the... |
| To everything
-- to this interview. |
| They gave
you this? |
| Yes. I'm
wearing, you know, free Gucci leather jacket. |
| And to
Gucci, that's worth it? |
| Yes. But
you know, it's a privilege. It's a perk. It comes with the territory.
But you know, it's like we work the clothes, right? |
| Big-family
upbringing |
| Were you
a poor kid? |
| I won't
say that we were poor. But we definitely -- I would say we were lower
middle class, and I come from a really big family. |
| Eight
children. |
| Eight
children. |
| Were you
the oldest? |
| No. I
am the oldest girl, and I have two older brothers. |
| Do you
like a big family? |
| Yes, I
do. Do I want to have eight children? No. |
| No. (LAUGHTER)
The best thing about you growing up -- you didn't have a lot of money
-- what I am getting to in dealing with money is what's it like to
not have needs financially to where you can buy anything you see in
the store. |
| Well,
the thing is I have such a sort of puritanical middle-class upbringing
that I still don't really go shopping and buy anything I want. I'm
too reserved for that. |
| You still
stop on a page if it says sale. |
| No, no.
No, I am not into, like, things on sale. I don't go to the sale rack.
But I wouldn't say I am decadent in my spending. I am careful. |
| Even though
you can spend it... |
| Yes. I
kind of forget that I have money sometimes. |
| You have
had an unusual life. |
| I've
had an incredible life. I am truly blessed. |
| On the
base of it, it's much more pluses than minuses? |
| Absolutely.
I mean, we were talking about fame earlier and there are bad things
about it, but I wouldn't trade my life for anyone's. |
| No regrets
about Sean Penn |
| The marriage
to Sean Penn -- it got so much attention and knowing him, he didn't
like that. |
| No. |
| Did you
like it? You were in the tabloids every other day. |
| No, I
didn't like the attention, the focus on the state of the our marriage.
I like attention when it's about the work, but not about relationships. |
| And he
didn't like it either? |
| No, he
hated it -- no. |
| Are you
friends? |
| Yes, we
are. |
| Are you
happy for how his career has gone? |
| Oh, yes
I think he's an incredible actor and I think he's done very well.
I'm, you know, I'm honored to know him. |
| So that
part of your life while it may have not ended the way you like, was
it a plus, when you look back and say, I am glad I had that experience?
Some people would; some people wouldn't. |
| No, I
learned a lot. The thing is he's an -- I learned a lot. He's an incredible
human being. He's intelligent; he's talented. Even though things didn't
work out for us in terms of our marriage, I don't regret marrying
him for a moment. |
| In 'complete
wonderment' of her child |
| How about
being a mother? |
| I certainly
don't regret that. |
| I mean
is it all you thought it would be? |
| It's more
than what I thought it would be. |
| The press,
they all refer to it as you were out looking for someone. You deliberately
wanted to pick a father. Was any of that true? |
| Absolutely
not. I had a relationship for two years with Carlos before I got pregnant
and I was madly in love with him, and it's a ludicrous accusation.
I don't know where it came from. It's not fair. It's not fair to me
and it's not fair to him. |
| Is he
a good father? |
| He's an
excellent father. |
| Sees the
child. |
| Oh, yes. |
| What do
you like best about motherhood? You had it late, right? You were 37. |
| Thirty-eight,
actually, when I gave birth, yes. What do I like best about it? Every
day I am in complete wonderment of her and I love being woken up in
the morning. I love her coming in the room and kissing me and waking
me up. I love looking into her eyes. I love watching her grow. I love
watching her absorb life around her. |
| As you
see her, she's rather pretty. |
| Oh, yes,
she's gorgeous, if I do say so. |
| But you
also have a life of flying here, flying there, being on stage. |
| Yes. So
far she goes everywhere I go. |
| What are
you going do when she goes to school? |
| Well,
I am going to stay in one place when she's in school. Starting at
the age of four I am not going to travel while she's in school. Say
I have to go somewhere for the weekend or something like that, I would
leave her, but I don't want to take her out of school and I don't
want to be away from her for any extended period of time. |
| Is she
going through terrible twos? |
| Yes, lots
of tantrums. She's got -- yes. She has two things that she sort of,
like, if she can't have, she throws herself on the floor and starts... |
| And so
we give it to her or don't... |
| No, no
we don't give it to her. |
| Oh, that's
Midwest, we don't give it to her. Jews, we give it to her. |
| Really? |
| What else?
Why would you... |
| You can't,
that's not good. |
| I know,
my wife tells me that's not good. But how do you not? How do you not?
How do you not -- a child is pleading for something. |
| Because
you have to -- I mean you have to have discipline. You have to teach
them discipline. You have to show them who's in charge. If you give
in to them every time they're going to run your life. Come on, Larry. |
| Isn't
it hard not to, though? Truth? Especially when you get a little older
-- I don't mean that 38 is old. |
| I'll give
in when she says she wants a piece of sugarless gum. Then I'll say
yes, but she can't watch TV. |
| She can't
watch TV? |
| No, she
won't be watching this interview. |
| Why can't
she watch? |
| Because
I don't want her to get addicted to it. Kids get addicted to it. They
become mesmerized. |
| Barney? |
| No, no
there's no Barney in her life. |
| No Barney. |
| No. |
| That's
like mean. |
| No, it's
not. I didn't watch TV when I grew up. She likes to read. She uses
her imagination. She's very verbal. She has an incredible memory.
All of those things I don't think she would have if she watched TV
all the time. |
| Do you
ever feel when you see Barney or hear about him that you're depriving
her? I'm only kidding. |
| No, I
don't get it -- that big purple thing -- I don't get it. |
| Neither
do I. It's a big purple thing. |
| Is it
a purple thing -- right I can't remember -- or is it a yellow thing? |
| Purple. |
| : No,
that's Big Bird -- OK. (LAUGHTER) |
| Not a
'sex' book but a society photo essay |
| When people
think of Madonna, they think of lots of things: singer, actress, talent.
And they also think sex. And that was something you promoted, didn't
you? I mean, you wrote a book about it. |
| Well,
I didn't write a book about sex. I wrote a book that -- I mean I published
a book that basically was sort of a -- an ironic tongue-in-cheek,
sticking-my-tongue-out-at-society photo essay... |
| Take that. |
| So there. |
| Yes, well
it worked, obviously. It sold and people reacted to it. |
| It pissed
off a lot of people, too. |
| Yes. What
did it do -- did it affect your career at all? |
| Well,
probably. I mean, I would think everything I've done has affected
my career. |
| I mean
negatively. You think people said, "Boy, she shouldn't have done
that." |
| Yes, I
think that there were a lot of people that were freaked out about
it, yes. |
| What about
your daughter when she grows up and gets to see it? |
| Well,
she sees my naked body almost every day. I don't think she's going
to be freaked out about it. I... |
| You don't
think it will bother her. |
| No, not
at all. And besides, if you really read and you know me and you know
my sense of humor, it's not meant to be -- it was never meant to be
this, like: "Oh, this is the hottest book of the most incredible
sexual fantasies." That's not what it's meant to be. |
| It was
a parody in a sense? |
| Yes, it
was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, and, you know, I think she'll understand
it. I'll explain it to her. |
| The thing
that you're always linked with many: Do you like that? Like famous
men? People think of you and they think of Dennis Rodman and Warren
Beatty and... |
| I've gone
out with as many not-famous men as famous men. |
| But do
you like that linking? You're very involved in making it. Is that
good for the career to be known that you're out with someone famous? |
| I don't
need any of those people to help my career, and, quite frankly, I
don't think they did. I think that everything I've done, I've done
on my own. You know, sometimes you say -- you can say to yourself,
Well, it's easier to be with someone who's famous, because they're
not freaked out about having their picture taken..." |
| Yes. |
| ... and
they're not freaked out about being written about and stuff like that.
But at the end of the day, it's hard for everybody, and, you know,
famous or not, it's difficult to be in a relationship with anyone
that's in the entertainment business. |
| On marriage |
| Do you
want to marry? |
| I don't
know. I don't know how I feel about that. |
| Why? |
| Well,
because sometimes I ask myself what, you know, what does marriage
mean. What is it exactly? What's the point of it? It seems like a
really... |
| Nice tradition,
though, isn't it? If it were just a tradition of bonding. |
| I certainly
-- I'm a romantic, and I believe in true love, and the whole, you
know, finding your soul mate and all of those things, but I just don't
know the whole marriage thing -- I mean, what's the point of it really? |
| You don't
see a point? |
| Well,
I'm not sure. I mean, don't know how I feel about it. I'm really conflicted,
because there's a part of me that thinks that it's a sacred ritual
and a beautiful tradition, and then there's a part of me that thinks
that it was -- it came from a time when -- when women -- when it was
a contract, that a woman entered into when a woman wasn't capable
of taking care of herself and she needed a man to take care of her,
and so I, you know, I have a lot of mixed feelings about it. |
| The Catholic
part of you probably wants to, right? |
| The Catholic
part of me, and there is -- I do have an old-fashioned part of me,
the romantic part of me, but... |
| Supposing
you met someone, you fell in love, and he wanted to get married. |
| Well,
we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. |
| Interested
in politics |
| Good answer.
Are you interested in politics by the way? |
| Oh, yes,
very. |
| And do
you support candidates? Are you outspoken? |
| : To a
certain extent. I mean, you know, when I am interviewed -- I certainly
support President Clinton. |
| Do you
feel he's getting... |
| The short
end of the stick? Yes. |
| But he
caused it, though. |
| Well --
he caused it? How -- I mean... |
| Well,
I mean, no act, no follow-up. |
| Well,
that's true to a certain extent. But I mean, you know, he's not the
first president to have an adulterous relationship. So I think it's
a combination of his behavior, and you know, the lynch mob mentality
of the Republican Party. |
| Are you
surprised that the public is in his corner? |
| No, not
at all. |
| Because
we're supposed to be very puritanical about sex. |
| Well,
we're not, are we? And thank God. I mean, at the end of the day, I
think whether you think he did the right thing or the wrong thing
or whatever, I think most people just want to get on with things.
And you know, let's get back to the important issues, and I think
people are really sick of it. |
| A preference
for theater |
| The movies
-- enjoy doing films? |
| Yes. I
do. |
| Like stage
-- I saw you do -- have you done other stage other than... |
| I did
two plays. I did a David Mamet play and I did David Ray play. And
I loved doing both of them. And I would love to do another play. I
think performing live is far superior to filming -- absolutely. |
| So you
would rather be in a theater? |
| Yes, I
would actually. |
| Was "Evita"
difficult? |
| Oh, yes.
That's an understatement. |
| Because? |
| Well... |
| Crowd
scenes? |
| It was
difficult -- it was difficult on every level. It was difficult because
we were, you know, filming in Argentina. And we were making a movie
about a person that was a very controversial political figure. So
there were mob scenes about people who didn't want us to make the
movie and mob scenes about people who wanted us to make the movie.
And then, you know, the heat and the thousands of extras, and you
know, we were moving around the world to different continents. And
I was pregnant. And you know, it was a long shoot. And we were making
a musical. I mean... |
| Was it
tougher? It was kind of an opera. |
| Yes. |
| There
was no spoken word in it. |
| Not really,
no. And it was -- I think, you know -- I think that Alan really was
-- you know, we were all doing something, and we weren't sure what
we were doing in a way. |
| Alan... |
| Alan Parker,
yes. I mean, I think everyone believed in what we were doing and everyone
was really passionate about it, but no one's ever done a movie like
that before, so it was a risk. |
| Were you
surprised at how well Antonio Banderas sang? |
| I was.
I was very surprised. He has a lovely voice. |
| Did you
like working with him? |
| I loved
working with him. He's great. He really is. |
| Good friend? |
| Yes. Great
actor, great singer, charming man, very generous. Yes. He was great. |
| You did
another movie everybody that I know liked that didn't do well. |
| Which
one? |
| The murder
-- where you were the murderess. |
| The what? |
| You were
a murderer. |
| Oh, I
think I have been a murderess in a couple of movies. |
| With... |
| Oh, yes.
"Body of Evidence." |
| "Body
of Evidence" with Willem Dafoe and... |
| And... |
| ... Ray... |
| No, wait
a minute. My co-star in "Speed the Plow." Oh, God. Joe Mantegna. |
| Joe Mantegna. |
| Yes, yes.
He's great too. |
| So films
would be secondary to theater, though, I just wondered.. |
| Well,
just in terms of the enjoyment factor of doing it. But I would love
to make another great film. I haven't made a movie since I did "Evita"
because I haven't really found something that I was as passionate
about. But I am going to make a movie in a couple of months. |
| "Dick
Tracy" fun? |
| That was
fun. That was fun, for sure. I had a really good time on that. |
| And you
like co-star Warren Beatty? |
| I do,
indeed. |
| Me too.
Not in the same way. No. |
| Maybe
in the same way. |
| Maybe
in the same way. (LAUGHTER) |
| Trying
a new 'geisha' look |
| Madonna's
album "Ray of Light" has already gone triple-platinum. It's
included in the "Album of the Year" and "Record of
the Year" for the Grammys. She has six Grammy nominations. She
will sing "Ray of Light" as the opening number at the Grammys
in February. She's on the cover of the latest edition of "Harper's
Bazaar" magazine with her new look, that of a geisha. Is that
the way you describe this? Is this a geisha look? |
| Geisha. |
| Geisha,
geisha. |
| Yes, inspired
by -- I read a book called "Memoirs of a Geisha," which
had a... |
| Great
book. |
| Yes. Did
you read it? |
| Great
book. |
| Incredible.
Yes there was a character in the book called Hutsie Momo and she's
been my muse for the past six months. So I don't know. |
| Looking
at all the pictures and videos you go through lots of changes, right? |
| Yes. |
| Why? |
| Why not. |
| Most people
change, but not dramatic. You go dramatic. |
| That's
why I like to call myself a performance artist because what I do is
I sort of just, like, collect ideas whether it's paintings or film
or literature or a character in history. |
| So you'll
get tired of this in while? Is tired a good word? You'll look in the
mirror and say I don't like this anymore. I don't want to blond, I
want to be Hillary. |
| Hillary
-- oh, no. (LAUGHTER) |
| Does she
change her hair a lot? |
| She does. |
| I am an
artist, I feel like, you know, I have a lot more freedom to do whatever
I want, be whatever I want. |
| But I
mean is it ever a whim? Do you ever just look in the mirror and say:
changing today? |
| Yes, I
do that all the time -- absolutely. And after you make several videos,
you see yourself on TV, you do several photo shoots, you kind of get
sick of it. You have to move on. |
| Predictions
for career at 50 |
| Let's
include some phone calls for Madonna. Cleveland, hello. |
| CALLER:
Hi, Madonna. I was wondering what do you see yourself doing in 10
years? |
| Everybody
asks me that question. |
| Yes, at
50, what are you going to do at 50? |
| Well,
I hope -- I would like to have more children, so hopefully I will
be enjoying my family, and -- I mean, I don't know. I am sure I'll
be an actress. I am sure I'll be writing music -- who knows, maybe
I'll have an art gallery. I have no idea. |
| Do you
see yourself playing character roles? |
| Yes. Yes,
absolutely. |
| Which
wouldn't bother you at all -- not to be the femme fatale? |
| No, not
at all. |
| No effect? |
| Well,
I mean, what's wrong with a character role? |
| Some people
always want to assume that being the lovely part and... |
| Well I
am not always going to be lovely, let's just face that fact. |
| We do
age. |
| Yes, we
do. |
| Why did
you name your daughter Lourdes? That's a place, right? |
| For several
reasons. Yes, Lourdes is a city in France, and it's a city of healing.
There are healing waters there. It's a place where miracles occur,
so for that reason because she was a miracle and is a miracle. But
also, we call her Lourdes. She's half Cuban and that's a very popular
Cuban name. |
| What's
her nickname, Lourdy? |
| No Lola.
Lola -- I know, how did we get that. |
| That doesn't
make any sense. |
| Well,
because I was also a big fan of that name -- Lola. |
| Whatever
Lola wants. |
| Lola doesn't
get. |
| Doesn't
get. (LAUGHTER) |
| Yes, that's
exactly. Both Lola Montez -- have you ever heard of her? |
| No. |
| She's
a famous -- well, she was an infamous woman. She brought down the
King of Bavaria. You never heard of Lola Montez. |
| When did
she do this? |
| In the
1700s. |
| An early
Lewinsky. |
| No, she
was -- come on now. |
| I am
only kidding. |
| She was
a dancer. She had some skills. (LAUGHTER) No, but by birth she was
Irish and she married -- it's a long story, but it's a very interesting
story. There's a movie called "Lola Montez" that you should
rent and watch. It's pretty fascinating, but she completely reinvented
herself because she married this guy in India -- her parents married
her off at a young age. |
| So you
were leaning toward naming your child Lola? |
| Well,
I loved that name and I loved the name Lourdes, so I named her Lourdes
and I call her Lola -- go figure. |
| Adopted
Kabbalah |
| Tell me
about Kabbalah ... now I'm Jewish. I don't remember learning anything
about it when I was a kid growing up. |
| Because
they don't teach the Kabbalah in -- it is considered traditionally
the only people that are supposed to learn the Kabbalah are men, and
they have to be over the age of 42. So because that is considered... |
| So this
is a sect of the orthodox. |
| Yes, traditionally,
but I mean its roots are in orthodox Judaism, but think historically,
I think a group of rabbis and, you know, scholars broke away and said,
Look, if this information is so enlightening and so important and
can help other people, why are we limiting it to teaching it just
to men, Jewish men who are passed the age of 42? So people -- teachers,
you know, started kind of branching out and opening up centers. |
| What attracted
you? |
| A friend
of mine who is Jewish and -- but who isn't very religious -- was going
to these classes, and she kept coming back and telling me about them
and telling me about this great charismatic rabbi and these great
stories, these fables that he would tell and how moving they were.
And I could never -- it sort of went in one ear and out the other
and I could never figure out what she was talking about. So finally
out of curiosity I went to a class in Los Angeles. I was about 6-1/2
months pregnant and I was very moved by it. And it didn't really matter
that I was, you know, raised a Catholic or I wasn't Jewish and I felt
very comfortable and I liked being anonymous in a classroom environment
and it was nice learning. |
| : Do you
feel now you are a... |
| An honorary
Jew? |
| Honorary
Jew or are you -- is there a term for -- are you a Kabbalahan? |
| I am a
Kabbalist. There is definitely a Kabbalistic approach to life or a
Kabbalistic point of view, but it's not different than a lot of other
teachings. I study Hinduism; I study Buddhism; Taoism. |
| You believe
in a supreme being? |
| Absolutely.
But I also believe that all paths lead to God. |
| Houston,
Texas, hello. |
| CALLER:
Yes, Madonna, I just wanted to ask you, for all that you've done and
accomplished, how would you like to be remembered or what legacy would
you like to leave behind? |
| I would
like to be remembered as a good mother first and foremost. |
| Not a
bad idea. Lawrence, Kansas, hello. |
| CALLER:
Hi, Madonna, I was just wondering what do you find to be your biggest
challenge in being a single mother? |
| That's
a very good question. A lot of people face it. |
| My biggest
challenge was, you know, really just balancing my life and spend enough
time with my daughter and really be there for her. She needs me and
also to make myself happy and my career and continue working and run
my businesses -- nurture my friendships, have a relationship, just
that juggling, but... |
| t is a
daily juggle isn't it? |
| Unbelievable. |
| Are there
times you say: I wish there were a man here all the time? |
| Yes, oh,
yes. There are lots of times when I just want to like go: I want to
hand the baby off to somebody, you know? |
| Do you
think it's harder to get a man involved when you have a child? You
know, the man might say... |
| No. |
| In other
words, we don't have to throw a male benefit for you, right, to get
guys interested? You don't need help? |
| No. |
| No. |
| Thank
you. |
| Cites
musical, dance influences |
| Tampa,
Florida, hello. |
| CALLER:
Hello, Madonna. My question is who were your musical and dance influences
when you were growing up? |
| My musical
influences -- wow. They ranged from Karen Carpenter to the Supremes
to Led Zeppelin. Those were my musical influences, and... |
| Dance? |
| Dance
-- Martha Graham, Rudolph Nureyev. |
| Were you
a good ballet dancer? |
| No, I
wasn't. I mean, I was a good dancer, but the problem is to be a really
good ballet dancer you have to start when you're seven or eight, and
I didn't start ballet until I was 12 or 13, which is considered over-the-hill
really. I was a good dancer, but... |
| When you
see, like, an old Fred Astaire movie, and he's dancing with Ginger
Rogers... |
| I'm in
heaven. |
| Do you
say to yourself: I can do that. |
| I can
do that. |
| That's
your kind of -- you could dance. |
| Absolutely.
No problem. |
| So if
Astaire were around now, you'd dance with him. |
| I'd be
dancing on the walls. |
| Nervous
about Grammy competition |
| Before
we take another call, is this the most Grammys you have ever been
nominated for? |
| Definitely.
|
| You won
one Grammy years ago, right? |
| I won
a Grammy, but it wasn't really record-related. It was like a long-form
video or something, so... |
| Are you
nervous? |
| I am nervous
about performing. I am not nervous about the whole award thing. I
mean, I am excited. I am keeping my fingers crossed. |
| Your friend
Rosie O'Donnell is the MC. |
| Yes, I'm
very happy about that. |
| You're
the opening act, right? |
| Yes. |
| Does that
give you a little more pressure? |
| That's
a good slot, the opening act. That's good. |
| They're
all watching. |
| Yes. |
| All right.
When they open up the card, when they open up the envelope, truth
-- do you expect to win? |
| I am not
saying. I don't want to jinx myself. |
| All right.
Who is the one you're worried about the most? |
| Who's
my... |
| If you
can't vote for you, who would you vote for, album of the year? |
| Oh, that's
a tough one. Tell me what the nominees are. |
| I don't
know. I don't have... |
| Probably
Lauryn Hill. She's my -- she's my competition, I think. She's amazing. |
| For record
of the year too? |
| I think
so. Yes, yes. |
| Atlanta,
Georgia for Madonna. Hello. |
| CALLER:
Hello, Madonna. If your daughter Lourdes was old enough, would you
allow her to work as an intern in the White House under Bill Clinton. |
| If she
was old enough? Absolutely. |
| Especially
now, right? She would be safe. Is that what you would figure? |
| Oh, well.
My daughter would just never get involved with a married man because
I would kill her if she did. |
| Were you
ever involved with married man? |
| No. |
| Was that
like a hard-and-fast rule? |
| Never
get involved with a man who is involved with someone else. Yes. |
| You couldn't
be second place... |
| No, no,
no, no. |
| I know
of your active involvement in the fight against AIDS, but you're also
into a New York City charity, Opus, right? What is that? |
Oh, well,
that is an organization that was started by a woman called Roberta
Gespari Tavaris -- maybe I said that wrong; did I say that right?
-- who is an incredible woman I have gotten to know this past year.
She teaches violin to kids in several schools in the inner city, and
she has been actively involved in campaigning to raise money so that
kids can enjoy learning about art and music in schools. And unfortunately,
because of all the cutbacks in the public school systems, that's the
first thing to go.
And personally, my belief is that music and art is the most important
thing to teach a child, so... |
| Atlanta,
Georgia, hello. |
| CALLER:
Hello. I lost my mother when I was very young. And I'm now raising
children. I know that Madonna also lost her mother when she was young.
And I am wondering what difference does she think it might have made
in how she's now raising her child. |
| Good question. |
| What difference
it would have made to have had a mother? |
| Yes, do
you think -- and now that you know -- your mother was how old? |
| She was
31. |
| You've
outlived her by nine years and you had the child. And she had eight
children. |
| Well,
she had six. My father remarried. But I mean, it's hard for me to
say how I would be if my mother had lived. I am sure I would be very
different. And I think to a certain extent I think that people that
grow up -- girls that grow up without mothers tend to try even harder
to kind of make up for what they didn't have. And I think they make
very good parents. |
| When you
lose a parent young -- I've had it happen; my father died -- there's
always something missing. |
| Yes, you
walk around with a big hole inside of you... |
| Yes. |
| ... a
feeling of emptiness and longing that, you know, and -- I think a
lot of times that's why you become an overachiever, you know, just
trying to... |
| Got to
-- got to show... |
| Yes. |
| Brothers,
sisters remain close |
| Are you
close with brothers and sisters? |
| Yes. |
| You're
family keeps in touch? There hasn't been separation? |
| Oh, yes,
definitely. |
| Do you
have big brothers? |
| They all
tortured me over the holidays. |
| Do you
have big brothers? Are they still your kind of -- look up to them? |
| Well,
my big brothers, you know, they have had an interesting influence,
especially my oldest brother. I mean, he totally, like, turned me
on to the most kind of subversive things when I was a child, you know,
like... |
| Political
things. |
Well,
no. He got -- like, I became a vegetarian because of my oldest brother.
He used to, like -- he introduced me to Charles Bukowski and Richard
Brautigan.
You know, they were into the whole LSD drug culture, Maharishi orchestra.
You know, I was really frightened by them but completely enamored
of them as well. And they've both lived very adventurous lives. |
| Still
do? |
| Yes. (LAUGHTER) |
| How about
your sisters? |
| I am very
close to a couple of my sisters. I am actually close to all of my
sisters, particularly my one sister who lives in Los Angeles, and
she has children. And she had children before me. |
| You're
a good aunt. |
| I like
to think so. |
| Is she
happily married? |
| She's
happily married. She has an incredible family. She's a great role
model for me even though she's my younger sister. |
| You win
the Grammy -- let's say you win. I predict. |
| Please
God. |
| Your lips
to God, right? |
| Yes. |
| You really
want to win that, right? By the way, it's no baloney. Why not want
to win it? |
| Why not?
Exactly. Of course I want to win. |
| Any concert
tour coming? |
| Yes. |
| This year? |
| Yes, your
lips to God. |
| Are you
going to have one? |
| Yes. |
| And what
about another movie? |
| Yes, I
am going to do a movie in April. And then I am going to rehearse to
go on tour. And then I'll probably play up until the millennium, New
Year's Eve. |
| What's
the movie? |
| The movie's
called "The Next Best Thing" with Rupert Everett. He's my
co-star. |
| Rup. I
love him. |
| Yes. Isn't
he great? |
| I love
you too. Thanks for coming. |
| Thank
you so much. |
| Source:
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